Dampers

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  1. BIG T

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    Hello, I have a question on my Professional Products Dampers. Since it has three timing marks dose it have three key-ways? I lined it up on zero and when I went to time it the number are up-side down. :drive:

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    Tony
     
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    I believe that it only has one key way. The 3 sets of timing marks are so it can be used on any of the 3 different places that Ford put the timing pointers through the years on the 28 ounce imbalance engines. As for the numbers being upside down, as long as they are in the correct order for the rotation of the engine it should not be a problem. After all the engine can't read anyway, LOL.
     
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    I take it you didn't install the damper...if so you should have noticed 1 or more key-ways...:yup:
     
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    Can you take a picture of how the numbers are oriented? BTW, I've been running a PP damper for about 8 or 9 years now and my only complaint with it has been the the silk screened numbers wore/flaked off. The damper has notches at the "0" positions so it's easy to install a timing tape with new numbers if you need to.
     
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    Does anyone degree their cam anymore................just because the dampner you put on went in the "Key Way"...........everyone assumes that it is exactly at 0 because the numbers on the dampner say so...................not true at all!
    I would prefer to know exactly where TDC/BDC are rather than guess, but I guess in all reality it doesn't make any difference for a street car.
     
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    I always degree my cams. And I know from finding #1 TDC that my PP damper's "0" notch was less than 1* off, which, BTW, is more accurrate than the stock Ford damper it replaced.
     
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    Thanks Guys. I did install the PP damper, I did a valve job and cam swap. I put a new chain ,gears and PP damper. I was on base at the auto shop and just had enough time to break in the cam before I had to clean up. So I did not put a timing light on it for a couple of weeks. I now have a house so I the can take my time when I work on the Mav, The way I lined up the damper was . Whith the heads off and and front cover off. I first lined up the timing chain marks check the #1 piston at TDC and both lifter down on #1 I put the timing chain cover back on and the installed the PP DAMPER, Iwill set the timing and let you know how it runs.
     
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    Dave B I like Mavericks!

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    What timing pointer are you using? The Maverick pointer is for the 3rd set of numbers. I ran into this issue with my Fluidamper, they only put 2 sets of numbers on theirs. With my degree wheel, nothing made sense....
     
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    I have my cams degreed...
    I thought that the TDC marks were just for the piston TDC.
    degreeing the cam...just moves the cam to get the overlap correct...:huh:
    I don't know everything so this may be the thing I don't know...:D
     
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    Ok, well maybe I just assumed that not everyone degree'd their cams, sorry if I lump'd some of you into the "POT".
    One thing I can say is that if you have had your block, heads or both resurfaced I can guarrantee putting your cam in without degreeing it.....you could be 2/4 degrees off. And of course there is more than one way to degree the cam............one is slightly more accurate than other..............but this is another subject left for another time.
    The real purpose to degree a cam to a specific engine is to insure that the cam is "Phased Correctly" with the crankshaft, per the manufactures spec's..or "Cam Card". You are insuring that the valve events are in accordance with the specs the cam guy has given you. Remember, that actual valve opening and closing events are influenced not only by the accuracy in which the cam is ground, but also the crank keyway position, crank timing sprocket, dowel position in the cam sprocket, taking away from the surface of the deck by surfacing and accumulation of machine tolerances will also contribute to "tolerance stack-up", and this will lead to a cam being out of phase with the crank..............which for a street motor is less critical than a race motor....................IMHO
     
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    Thanks everybody. I just watch a video . On how to time a 302 . The number were up-side down. What the heck is going on.

    Tony
     
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