one of the things i have to work out with this engine im working on is runnng the belt accesories. im just running the alternater and water pump. no a/c, p/s, pollution pump, ect. i want to keep the alternater on the passenger side so i dont have to lengthen the harness or run it across the engine block anyone have any recomendations to a good donar vehicle to pull brackets from? maybe someone out there has the right pullies, brackets for sale? i have a feeling im going to have to invest in a shorter water pump. which is a shame since this engine already came with that cool aluminum one. also can i keep my stock 250 alt? its pretty new so i'd like to keep it if possible Thanks
im not adding any electronics except a gauge pod so i didnt count on needing any more amps. would the extra 2 cylinders worth or spark draw more amps?
no, i dont have a radio or anything special only electrical draw would be the ignigtion and stock lighting, plus the gauge pod and myabe a fan im sure you guys dont need a pic but just in case im trying to rig something like this up (thanks to who ever's pic this is )
Go to my photobucket site http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p53/baddad457/ you can see what I did with this on my 331. I used the 88 Crown Vic pump, the stock Maverick waterpump pulley (or use a 70's 302/351W/351C pulley to overdrive the pump) Stock Maverick alternator adjuster bracket, and I fabricated an aluminum alternator hanger bracket. I used the two (long) Vic waterpump bolt/studs with spacer bushings behind the bracket and a stock Ford Alternator spacer. The crank pulley is a 351 three groove that I machined the outer two pulleys off of. I don't recall what application it came from, but the way it was made, allowed this operation to be done on a lathe. This pulley may have come from a 351C/351M/400.
that seems like alot of work tho. and im starting from scratch. i have a 3 grove crank pulley but aside from that i need to pull everything off a donar engine. crank and water pump pully and a bracket to hold the alternater. i figured that would be easier found then made
Some other things to consider on doing the engine swap if you don't already know the 5.0 has the oil dipstick on the side of the block and you would have to plug that hole in the block and get a older 302 timing cover if you want the dipstick up front , also the 5.0's with the serpentine belt setup water pump runs in the other direction so if you want to use a older 302 pulley setup you will need to change the water pump to a older style. Sometimes the small details on the swap can be a real pain....
i do plan on swapping a '77 front cover on so i can use a mechanical pump. im not sure which way this pump spins. th water pump on this engine looks almost identical to the pump off my 77 mav 302, aside from the finish on it but i'll take a closer look next time im out
The dipstick hole can be drilled in all the timing covers. The cover I'm using on the 331 is a mid 80's std rotation cover. Just drilled a 1/4" hole for the dipstick. The only reverse pump applications were the 79-95 Stangs, 88-93 T-Bird/Cougar, and the late 80's E & F series trucks and vans. At some point in the 80's the reverse pumps got a reversed coolant port timing cover to match.
well this engine is a 91 t-bird block but it was being built for a fox. its not really an issue to me what way it spins as long as it works lol
Tony,My understanding is you can run the reverse flow pump on our cars.The difference is the cooling system feeds the heads first then the block as opposed to the other way around for our cars which is stock.
will this work? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MCH%2D1000&N=700+4294908331+4294840126+4294889096+4294817292+115&autoview=sku and then something like this to mount the alt? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MRG-5185&autoview=sku http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=TRD-9455&autoview=sku something like this would be perfect
That summit part has the non ribbed water pump pulley which the serp belt smooth side runs under the pulley to drive causing the water pump to turn the other direction, if the serp belt runs over the top of a water pump ribbed pulley then it will run standard rotation pump. For a 3 pulley set up you need a March 1670 that has a ribbed pump pulley, use alt. brackets that are for a 70's 302 and make sure the water pump is standard rotation.
You can use the 79-mid 80's reverse pump for a Stang, but not the later reverse pump, the gaskets won't match the ports on the timing (std rotation) cover.
