starter/switch Problem

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  1. LukeDuke

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    as soon as i turn the switch to run the cars trys to start and keeps turning over till i get under the hood and pull the start wire on the starter solenoid.
    so i get under the dash and find the start wire there, and cut it. but that didn't fix the problem. so i find the run wire under the dash and cut it, so now it doesn't try to start as soon as i turn the key on, it will start if i turn it to start but it won't stay running cause i cut the run wire. and as soon as i connect the run wire it trys to start. I can't figure it out.
     
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    Sounds like you might have the 2 small wires on the solenoid reversed
     
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    does the key "spring " back when it is turned? i had a similiar problem and it was the actual switch on the top of the column. not hard to replace. other than that you may have a short in the circuit. if you turn the key on, not starting, just on. and go under the hood and jump the solenoid, does the same thing happen? just a coupla thoughts. im no electrician thats for sure. its easier for me to rewire, than track down issues. good luck, and im sure more knowledgeable folks will be chiming in.
     
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    thats what i thought at first, so i switched them then it would do anything.
     
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    the switch seems to work fine
     
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    does anyone know where the run wire goes? cause it don't matter weather or not the start wire is hooked up to the switch or not, as soon as the run wire gets juice the car starts and don't stop trying to start.

    the start wire seems to act normally, when i apply currant the car trys to start.
     
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    All you need to do is give the starter solenoid a good whack with a small hammer. It's stuck is all. This happens when you try to start it with a near dead battery. The voltage gets too low and sticks the solenoid. There's nothing wrong with the wiring, except where you cut it.
     
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    baddad has a good point, that used to be a problem with my old shovel head harley. those solenoids will stick with low voltage.
    Dan
     
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    then why does it start when i turn the key on?
     
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    If the solenoid contacts were welded it would try to start any time the battery was connected. If it only trys to start with the key on then the wires are switched. You also seem to have a problem in the start circuit. You might try jumping the neutral start switch.
     
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    Get a test light or a meter. Pull the small wire off the terminal. and hook your meter to it. With everything off, there should be no voltage. With the key in the on position, there should be no voltage. With the key in the start position, you should have 12 volts. As soon as you release the key, the 12 volts should disappear. If this does not work this way, most likely its the switch, If every thing works ok, than its the solenoid.
     
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    there is 12v at the small wire as soon as i turn the key. there is a wire under my dash that has the same colors as the one on the solenoid, I cut this wire, i turned the key and the same thing happed as before. so i applied 12v to the wire i cut and the car starts. so i have 2 wires under my dash that will start the car. one wire (white and green) has 12v as soon as i turn the key on, the other (red and blue) only has 12v when i turn the key to start(just like it should be). the car will not stay running if the white wire is cut.

    a wire diagram would be nice but i can't find one anywhere.
     
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    It could be either solenoid, the one on the fenderwell or the actual one itself on the starter that is going bad.
     
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    thank you! Maverick1970! for the wire diagram. i never knew the start wire from the switch went to the ignition control module, i just replaced the ignition control module with a cheap one trying to fix a different problem. turns out the cheap thing only worked for a week. so i put the old one back on NOW EVERY THING WORKS!
     

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