Thanks for the welcome, Im located 50 miles west of st louis on I-70, are there any local maverick groups in the area or do you know?? Steve
Steve There are a few Maverick / Comet owners around the area. Sounds like your out around Wentzville area. Chandler on the forum is out in Warrenton. I am off 44 in Eureka. Some are members of MCG www.maverickcometgroup.com and MCCI www.maverickcometclub.org which are Maverick / Comet Clubs. No local clubs but there is the occasional get together. A few of us are all going down to Springfield, MO in a couple of weeks for the Street Machine Nationals. Come on down. http://mmb.maverick.to/showthread.php?t=35405&highlight=fall+street
Sorry but I have to disagree on this one...at least for now. I'm not a 351C expert but I am and always have been a Ford fanatic. I have never seen where a 351C is classified as a big block and I haven't been able to find anything saying that it is. Just a quick search found this though: http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/kitcar/kb.php?aid=141 "The Ford 335 engine family were a group of small-block V8 engines built by the Ford Motor Company between 1970 and 1982. The series was nicknamed Cleveland after the Cleveland, Ohio engine plant in which most were cast." http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/engines/cleveland.html "The 351M is sort of a hybrid between a 351C and the 400. The 351C and 351M have the same bore and stroke - 4.00" x 3.50" (also shared by the 351W and the 352). The 351C, 351M, 351W, and all other small blocks share the same bore spacing and cylinder head bolt pattern."
I don't know of any other big block that can swap heads with a small block. Also, the 351w has a bigger block than a 351c. 9.5" vs 9.2"... The SBC has similar block size as well. Any true big block I know of has a taller block than even the Windsor. Even the 351m/400, which uses a BBF bellhousing and has a deck in excess of 10", is classified by Ford as a 335 Series small block. I don't want to get into a pi$$ing contest, even if I do like to argue ... But I have put these in Mavericks and have been playing with Clevelands since I was 16. I have never heard it called a big block. It took me aback when you made the comment, because I had heard some call the 351m/400 a big block.
Tomayto, tamahto...Big block and small block are relative terms...and with the small blocks getting bigger and the big blocks getting rediculous what does it matter?
"Ford does not categorize its engines using the big/small block nomenclature. Rather, Ford literature distinguishes engine by its series, or family. Enthusiasts unaware of this fine point will nonetheless classify the larger families as big block engines." There was a 332 that was fords smallest "Big Block" used in the 58-59 ford models. The 351c is still considered a small block, although it's a medium sized engine. Again, Ford doesn't categorize by the smallblock/bigblock nomenclature. FE,MEL <--more mercury edsel lincoln, and 385 series you can find the big block listed in those categories pretty much. I believe the 335 engine series carries the 351c and all related info. Check wikipedia or any other encylopedia for info. exactly, chevy has a 7.0l (427) small block for the corvettes LS7 now, as apposed to the 427 big block of yester year... big blocks really are measured by distance between cylinder bores, not displacement.
Okay I see that I have started something and here is a link... http://phystutor.tripod.com/stang/engines/cleveland.html In this link you will see that Ford does go by family and the 351c, 351cj, 351Boss, 351m and the 400 belong to the same family?? So they are middle ground to the small block and the big block... So I have a 351Cleveland (middle block) so everyone is right,, Anyway enjoy the link it has some good info on it..And thanks for challenging what I said, in trying to prove my point I learned the real answer.... Thanks
hey guys! first post here and might as well jump in, not to stir the pot but the correct term for the Cleveland engine family is the "335 Series", that also includes a foreign cousin the 302C from Australia(destroked 351C, just as the 351M is a destroked 400). i'm researching the fittment of a Cleveland into a 70 mav, i don't have a Mav yet but maybe soon. i figure i can't afford a mustang, and not sure i want one either. i've had '72-'73 torinos and a '72 ranchero but the body's pretty shot. maybe a Maverick is just right? i'm looking to stuff a 671 blown Clev and possibly a C6, maybe a toploader? into a 70 Mav project so i'll be reading the archives and asking a few here and there. and hopefully picking up that 70... i'll post most of this to the newbie thread...
Welcome aboard! :Handshake Use the search button. There's quite a few threads relating to putting a Cleveland in our cars. Need to plan on doing some tower modifications though if you plan on putting in anything bigger than a 302. Most of us are going the stroker route to keep from having to shave the towers. However there are quite a few guys doing some crazy mods, eliminating the towers altogether, and putting in anything they want. Good luck with it...and be sure to post pics when you get started!
Why not shoot for a later Mav than a 70? With a 70 model you are garranteed the following: *Smaller trans tunnel used that year, so your C6 will be that much harder to install. *4 lug rims as all 70 Mavs were I6 and light duty 4 lug. *No V8 mounting provisions as all 70s were I6. *It's possible you won't even get the lowly 8" rear as 70s could be had with the ultra-weak integrated rear. Just some thoughts. Every year newer you get from 70, the more refined you get and the more swap friendly the car becomes. Oh, and look at the dates on threads. This discussion has been over for a long time, and everything you mention had been hashed through already.
