The new Boss302...

Even better..
chiheads.com

 

If you want to put a canted valve head on the engine then all you have to do is buy the short block and install the Ford racing SVO heads. They have smaller runners mated with moderate valve sizes in a canted valve dsign with water ports to bolt to the standard 302. So now you can have the Boss II block and the aluminum heads with "Cleveland style valves and chamber. You won't get the swirl chamber that the new Boss II heads have but you will have the canted valves that you want. The new chamber design is where the real advantage is with these new heads. You don't need canted valves and the design won't work with canted valves because the pent-roof design won't support the swirl chamber design.
The new heads are an advancement - it just happens to be based on an inexpensive way to machine the head - with inline valves.
You can choose between the two - you do have the choice. Both heads are available and at nearly the same price. Go with what you want but the HP numbers say the new head design is better than the "Cleveland" style heads.

 

I think calling a beefed up windsor engine a "Boss" is misleading, as the original engine was very different.

 

Well put...
Sales gimmick is all I can read into it myself.

 

I'm also with Ratio411.... and check the results of the latest Engine Master's Challenge: I believe 5 of the top 6 engines were Clevor Fords with the CHI heads. That's impressive.

 

It's just sacrelige (sp?) to me that they call it a Boss, then they go through the trouble of designing Cleveland (or Boss if you like) valve covers to fit Windsor heads to top off the 'illusion'.
Like we wouldn't notice that it was still using Windsor heads!
I admit that I had to look for a split second longer at the pic to realize they were W heads. The covers are pretty convincing at a glance. But the fact that they made those covers reeks of gimmick.

I would be much more impressed if they conjured up some new canted valve heads.
Something that used Boss/Cleveland standard intake, exhaust, and valve covers... Yet having a modern internal design. Maybe smaller valves and much more effiecient ports. Like a streetable version of the Nascar stuff. And like I said, smartly routed ports that terminate into a standard 2v C configuration for ease of parts swapping.

I dunno
Am I being to picky???
I don't think so.
Call it "Super Windsor" or something, but keep the Boss name pure.
For a company that is so vicious about keeping it's name under thumb, they are sure loose with the Boss name.
Dave

 

Jon Kasse built a 351 CLEVELAND based 410 stroker for the engine builders comp.

it was not a clevor , clevor is a C headed W , there was one or 2 windsor in the comp. but the top 2 were clevelands


Jon Kasse made 680 HP and 600 tq and some change
not to shabby

 

thats first thing a noticed were the valve covers , i like the valve covers


but its still just a 302 W nothin to special


no dave your not being picky , if i were to be paying a pretty penny for a "boss" engine i want a BOSS engine

 

Really the C block is the $hit if you can get one thick enough to work with...
The only advantage the W blocks have is a taller deck, for more cubes/longer rods.
Beyond that the C is a thing of beauty... Again, only if you can get a good block.

Ford Motorsport made a heck of a C block for a year or two in the 80s, then dropped it for some reason.
The thing had monster webbing, rerouted and enlarged oil galleries, siamese cylinders, and steel main caps. IIRC it could support 4.155" bore as well!
If that was still in production... move over Man-O-War!
The last advertising I saw of it was 82 or 83...

 

Check these out...
They are 427 FE pent roof covers for the Windsor...
PAW has a 302 on it's Ford catalog that has these covers.
It looks just a like a minature 427...
With dual carbs it would really look cool, like an 8v 427MR.

 

That was last year. I believe Kasse ran a Pontiac engine this year, and if I remember correctly, he was the one non-Ford that was in the top 6. I'm well versed in Cleveland stuff; it's one of my favorite engines. I personally prefer an all-Cleveland engine, but the Windsor block is very good.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/challenge/2006/0610em_challenge_results_friday/

 

If you think the new 302 Boss II is just another windsor look at the lifter galley and the bottom end - it is a very special block. It looks to me to be stronger than the original Boss block.

 

It's more than just another windsor, but it aint no boss.

 

tomato, toematoe...
he he he ..

 

"Entry level engines are rated at 340 and 345 hp. Higher performance versions include Ford Racing's "Z"-head equipped 302 and 347 cubic inch engines rated between 360 and 450 hp, depending on configuration. The BOSS engine series is capped by a 500 hp 331 cubic inch engine. The suggested retail price for the BOSS 302 block is $1,759, with BOSS engines ranging from $4,650 to $10,000 for the 500 hp BOSS 331 cubic inch engines. The engines come with a 12 month/12,000 mile limited warranty."

I personally think that this is a pretty cool thing they've done. Just because they're not religiously sticking to the original design doesn't mean it's a crappy engine... these engines are rated (with the base model) with more hp than the original Boss, and they're actually pretty affordable. A crate 302 from, say summit, would run you at least that, maybe more. Just my ...