i have a 1974 mav with a 250 cid inline six with a c4 tranny it is a two dowr with some rust but after i fix the body work and put a 302 v8 with 351 heads would it still be able to be considered stock or not pluss i was woundering if anyone knew of any show up around my part i live north of minneapolis
I would say.....it depends on the show. Stock is a relative term. As long as it appears stock, I'd say that would be OK for most shows. If in doubt, ask the people when you register it what their definition of stock is.
paul, i don't think it will make a diff.,most (some) shows allow up to five changes. as jean doll, pointed out, making them believe it came with a v8 will be the hard part. . i showed harleys for years and each show was diff. i had one bike that the only things stock were the motor and frame and they put it in "stock" because it looked "stock" . a guy at work chromed his hood hinges and hood latch on a roadrunner he bought new in 67" and that put him in "custom" with a car that had about 10 grand worth of chrome. . all shows are not equal...frank...:bananaman :bananaman
These guys are right. The rules vary from show to show. For example, Carlisle allows up to 5 minor modifications, like some engine chrome, and still considers a car stock. The "Parts A Rama" meets here allow no modifications at all. Many smaller shows have no rules at all. Bottom line, if your'e concerned about judging shows, you'll have to take each show at it's rules individually. The problem with many shows, and how some people enter their cars also, is that you will find yourself competing directly against people who have thrown mega-bucks into their cars and you haven't. This is one of the reasons that many shows are not judged fairly and cause a LOT of bad feelings among participants. One show like this is a yearly show sponsored by a local VFD. They just group the cars together by year class, modified and stock together. How can you fairly judge a stock Maverick together with a highly modified Chevelle that someone has put $20,000 into, much less an AC Cobra replicar or even a Viper? Yes, they have the year classes that large that my '76 competed against a Viper! There are the ones that end up showing extreme partiality, like one I was told about recently in W. Va. Nobody but locals won awards there. The most fairly judged show I've participated in is the All-Ford show that the Greater Pittsburgh Mustang Club has every year here. They use a set of MCA rules and judging criteria that is not overly strict, but apply them the same to everyone without exception. I'm not saying this because I've done well there for the last 2 years, but rather I looked into how the event is judged and compared it to past experiences at other shows. It's really nice to win an award for the work you put into a car. You need to go into these shows with the attitude that you don't care if you win anything and that's not why you're there, but if you do, it's a bonus. Otherwise, you'll be setting yourself up for a big letdown. It took me a while to understand that when I started showing the Stallion.
Stock means what the car comes from the dealer when you buy it. Nothing more nothing less. You but a differant engine than what it came in than its custom not stock. It does not matter on what show you take it to the rules still apply. Alot of people don't know what the rules are.
Like many others have said,each car show is different in how they define the word 'stock'. Some allow for a few small modifacations while others do not. In a lot of small town shows were the judging is by peoples choice, you may find that the people judging don't know stock from non-stock, regardless of what class you enter. ( believe me, I know ). Shows that are put on by AACA Chapters or by Ford Clubs are much more educated on what passes for "stock" and may move you to the correct class if they feel the car is not stock enough to meet thier rules. I personally prefer the AACA shows over the Peoples Choice judging for just that reason. At least there if someone tries to sneak a $10,000 street machine into the stock class, they will be chased out to the correct class. But even at those shows I have sometimes had to show proof that my Maverick was stock, simply because the judges are not familiar with the Maverick and what it came stock from the factory with. I have no problem with that. The best thing to do is check with the club or group putting on the shows and ask what they would consider to be 'stock' and if they check each car to verify it is entered in the correct class. Many do not do this because it would take up too much time. Since the 302 was an option for the Maverick, they might not have a problem with it, but it would not hurt to check anyway.
My car is a mix-match of model years. (1971 body, 1973 interior and wheels, 75 disc brakes and 5-lug rear). I plan on showing my car in the stock catagory. It is 99% original Ford or Repro Ford parts and the majority of mods were options at one time or another. I don't think anyone would mind that instead of a 2V carb it has a 4V and instead of a 3-speed tranny it has a 4-speed. Also it has disc brakes and will have Ford Slotted wheels that weren't available in 1971 but were options in later years. The thing is it looks 100% factory correct -- IMHO
The only truly fair shows,or at least as fair as it can get, is one which is judged on a point system by a selected group of judges. All shows that are participant voted or people's choice, will never be fair. Almost everyone will vote for their buddies. And, if its an all Ford show, they are usually 75% Mustang and no Mustang guy will vote for anything other than another Mustang. Thats why I go for the people and to look at cool cars. At Carlisle, I didnt put the registration paper on the dash so people could'nt even vote on it. This last show in VA, even though I payed for the show field, I didnt even register or put my car up in the show area. I was much happier keeping it around all my buddies in our own little section of the field. We still got a great response.
Question: What about rims? If everything is basically stock and you put Crager rims on the car persay, would it still be considered stock or modified?
Yes, it just boils down to who is judging and their knowledge. Participant voting is a joke. Personally, I could care less about winning any trophies. I am all for the person who has never won one. My 60 Pontiac has 3 things that alter from stock, tires (radials) battery and chrome tips on the exhaust. I was not allowed to be in a stock class at one show, fine by me. Last week I showed my 79 Z-28 for the first time. Car is bone stock and only thing not stock is the battery. I was in a class stock 1973 to present. I was beat by a 2002 gran prix that was all garbaged up with decals, wheels exhaust, looked like a ricer and the winner of class was a gangsta lookin 94 trans am that had a hood scoop out of some comic book. I thought it was funny. The club that hosted the show was so drunk they could barely do the trophy presentation. I was embarrassed for them. I hadnt been to the show in 3 years and the particpation was about half of what it used to be. I was wondering why, now I know. Dan
I think everyone hear kinda missed the point between stock and custom. It doesn't matter on car shows what matters is the value of the car when you want to sell it. The value goes up if its stock and fully restored thats what counts. With my 75 I could but disc brakes on which did come that year if the buyer paid extra for it. But I left it with regular brakes that way its stock. I know about car shows I have been going to them for a few years both people choice and judges. Won my first award with judges best stock 70's. Just remember stock is from the dealer show room floor when its bought. I hope this helps.
Bottom line is just to go and have a good time as others have said here. If your'e going to shows with the sole intent of trying to win an award, you're going to be setting yourself up for disappointment more often than not. I have come across quite a few others in the cruise community that feel just the same from past experiences. There are a lot of owners that avoid judging shows completely because of the blaintant unfairness of most judging, and the "people's choice" shows, which are many, are just a popularity contest for sure. My attitude is that if I like the show, I go. If there is judging, whatever. If I win something, great. If I don't, I had a good time anyway just going. I mostly enjoy the comments I get on the car and the questions about it and Mavericks in general.
