do i need these?

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  1. Acornridgeman

    Acornridgeman MCCI Wisconsin State Rep Moderator Supporting Member

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    No, it is illegal under federal law all the time - you will only feel the pain if you have emissions tests and get caught. When I lived in SE Wisconsin, all our cars had to go through annual tests. On a random basis that test included a visual inspection of all OEM equipment. If something was missing your car was impounded and had to be towed to a repair shop. If you don't have inspections where you live, sure, odds are very favorable that no one will ever know. I guess it all comes down to whether or not you want to do something that is against the law. That is a personal choice. samo2rc asked a question about what that thing is and whether he needs it or not. To not point out the facts and tell him and the 1000's of people that may see this thread worldwide that it is OK to tamper with emissions controls is wrong.


    Hooking up a hose from the tank to the air cleaner is really a bad idea. What if the fumes build up to an air fuel ratio that is around 16:1 and you go to start the car and it backfires? Sure, it is a long shot of that happening but I was a fireman for 20 years and I've seen some similar "jury rigging" gone wrong when it comes to fuel tanks and lines. Why take the chance
     
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    I drove my 74 mav without the carbon canister, always smelled like a fuel leak.. I looked for the problem for 4 years..lol.. I stumbled on to the missing canister when I started my fuel tank upgrade in the 71,never knew I needed one, but can tell you I wish I had it.. The fuel smell drove me nuts...My new setup is vented though the gas cap.. Find a newer and smaller one and relocate it to the back if you want to clean up the look under the hood..JMO
     
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    oh so the charcoal canister is suppose to be connected to the air cleaner? there was nothing connecting it to anything except the line from the gas tank so what should i do keep it and run what lines from the top if the canister? anyone have a pic of one that still uses it or where i can reroute the line to get rid of it
     
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    OK so...everyone that has one hooked up please post a pic. of both ends...:huh:

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    Sure, if you want to be anal about observing all federal mandates, leave it all in place. I guess you NEVER exceed the federal mandated speed limits either. :rolleyes: Or cross the street outside of a crosswalk. Or violate any other laws. :rolleyes: As for the hose to the aircleaner, nothing at all happens other than the engine sucking the fumes into the cylinders soon as you crank the starter. I've had it hooked up this way for 7 years now. Never had an explosion from a backfire either. The fumes go into the engine before that will ever happen. The only way you'll have a backfire explosion is when fuel puddles on the carb top, and then have a backfire, that's not going to happen with the hose routed from the tank vent, unless you park the vehicle with the front end at an extreme downhill angle and the tank is full. In that case, you'd be stupid to park like that in the first place. Chances are in this scenario, the engine's not going to start anyway, as it'll be flooded to the point where the plugs are saturated and will not spark. You'll have a better chance of the starter setting it off. All this is an extreme situtaion, that's easily avoided by anyone with an ounce of common sense. :Welcome:
     
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    Dude ........ what I'm saying is I answered the mans question. It make no difference that your opinion is "who cares - they will never catch you".

    It makes no difference how many laws we all break daily. It is illegal to remove, it does not hurt performance one bit, and to not inform him of these FACTS is just plain irresponsible in a world wide public forum such as this message board. Maybe you don't have to have your car inspected but many in this big world wide forum do.

    One wrong, two wrongs, three wrongs , don't make it right. The man asked if he needs that part and I gave him an honest answer.

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    ok so ill just answer this im going to keep it so where do i put the hoses comeing from the top of the canister there is two holes for hoses...
     
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    Bryant forgot more than learned

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    one of those hoses goto the air cleaner. the other i think is susposed to have a platic cap on it.
     
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    In your picture - the hose you see is connected to the tank - the one with the arrow pointing to it (left side outer one) has a hose that goes up to the side of the air cleaner - the center one is just a pressure relief vent for the canister and it should have a plastic dome shaped cap stuck into it.

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    I know it is real popular to remove this item so if you need any of the factory parts, I'm sure plenty guys have them laying around.

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    :16suspect Nope, we all toss that junk in the trash. :biglaugh::rofl2: And funny you should mention it's got a pressure relief. That's also going to be an explosion hazzard. :naughty:
     
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    Wow, that picture really stretched the page out ............. :oops:

    Pressure relief was a probably a bad choice of words. When the car is running and the gas fumes are being moved from the canister and into the air cleaner, the vent lets air into the canister to replace the air that is being drawn from it. If the vent were plugged for some reason there would be no flow into the air cleaner.

    (y)

    By the way, all the years I was a fireman, I can't tell you how many times after a fire people said, "Gee, I have no idea why that happened, we have been running it / doing it that way for years, never been a problem before" ............. :rofl2:


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    I guess you've never seen what these engines run in marine applications for aircleaners. They're not much, just a metal screen that contains the fumes that build up when the engine's not running. And guess what ? :16suspectThey work to contain backfire- fires. ;)The carb vent tubes are curved in a J formation, directing any excess fuel from a stuck needle/seat back down into the carb throats. An aircleaner serves the same function, only it's designed to clean the incoming air better, as boats aren't known to be run in dusty conditions. The engine fires associated with carbs were almost always the result of the engine run sans the aircleaner assembly or the cleaner lid missing. Every one I witnessed was such. In fact back in east Texas in the 70's, that was the sure fire method to rid one's self of an unaffordable vehicle note. Remove the aircleaner lid, retard the timing, pump the hell out of the gas pedal, and crank her over. Then floor it once the engine fired off. Then call the fire dept. and then insurance company.:tiphat:
     
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    thanks guys when i put the motor back in ill put it all back together .... painted engine bay today so progress
     
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    Watch out federal gov't, mavericks kill trees. What a stupid law. I have never seen this in any of the cars i helped part out, i dont think they would even know what to look for?
    Anywho, welcome to the forums and good luck with your canister.
     
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    ..or without it in my case...:yup:

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